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Residents feel strongly about the snow ordinance - some would like the law modified so residents who have special needs could park on the street. Others don't want law changed. We're considering a compromise: Authorizing police to issue permits.
Greenburgh residents speak out about the snow ordinance. Currently, cars are banned on town streets from December 1 to March 15 between 1 AM and 6 PM. Some like it - other's want the law repealed because they have small driveways. The Greenburgh Town Board will discuss tonight at 6 PM (our meetings are streamed live on the website: www.greenburghny.com and televised on public access TV 76 optimum and 35 Verizon. The responses below show a divided town (reminds me of blue and red states!) with people having very strong feelings on the issue. I deleted e mail names and addresses from post
I spoke with Police Chief Chris McNerney. One compromise idea: Residents who have special needs could apply for a permit -the police would review the request for an exemption and if criteria are met could issue a permit and provide the resident with a sticker to place on the car. The vehicle owner would give the police their phone and e mail address and promise to remove the car immediately after the police advise that all cars have to be removed. We could do a robo call and send an e mail to the resident. They would also agree to have their car towed if it is not moved off the road during snow emergencies. We need roads to be cleared so public works crews could keep our roads safe and snow free. The compromise idea will be discussed tonight. PAUL FEINER
Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:57 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Overnight Parking
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The resolution adopted on November 21,2016 is working well. It is important to clear the streets of Greenburgh after a snowfall. The town has always done a wonderful job, Parked cars on the streets hinder that effort, as they do when the sweeper comes down the street. I would not want the restricted parking to be lifted
From: kSent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 11:04 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
Evening Mr. Feiner,
My family has lived at 4 in Hartsdale for 40+ years. While we have a large driveway I do understand other families do not. That said, over the years with new families moving in I've seen a shift to many parking on their grass all season and not necessarily using their garage or driveways.
We've enjoy our clean streets. I worry on narrow roads if people are allowed to park, once moved that build up over time turns to ice. I have a friend who lives in Ardsley where they have a smaller driveway and notify the local police when on occasion there are visitors past midnight.
If approved, I would suggest running the numbers to determine the cost of street cleaning in conjunction with alternate side of the street parking. That way the street could be cleaned twice to make sure roads were clear of debris.
That's my two cents for what its worth.
From: Beth Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 12:50 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Winter parking
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.My vote is to allow winter parking on the street unless it snows. My family needs that extra spot on the street. Thanks!Beth
From: Sylvie Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 10:19 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance Change
I would like to provide my thoughts on this ordinance change suggested. I believe that it should be in effect whenever there is a snow fall and not just because of the calendar dates.
My family has lived in Greenburgh for 24 years and having seen how unnecessary it is to prevent parking in the street when this area does not have significant snowfall during any winter season. When we get snow, it is usually gone in 1 week or less.
I believe having parking prohibited during and after a storm for removal should be sufficient.
It is highly inconvenient for many households to prevent parking on the street for families with multiple cars and little space to park off of the street.
Thank you for your understanding and consideration.
From: Elena Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 3:24 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance thoughts
I am sure you've already heard from lots of people on the topic of snow ordinance overnight parking. My 2 cents - I am all in! I would encourage usage of traffic information signs to provide the same warning given to Hartsdale Ave residents about changes such as snow emergency notifications, etc.
Hope others are also in support of this measure.
Good evening Paul
Thank you for the reply. Perhaps I misunderstood the motivation for your wanting to allow people to park on Columbia during the winter months. If it is to accommodate people with special needs who live on Columbia Ave that is completely different and we would support this reasonable accommodation.
However, if these people with special needs don’t live on Columbia Ave we fail to see how this helps them. More handicapped parking spaces should be provided in front of wherever they live. How many of these permits could you possibly be handing out that would impact Columbia Ave?
Paul, unfortunately neither Tia nor I will be able to attend on Tuesday. Tia and I have been out of the country for over nine months dealing with a serious family emergency in Costa Rica. The date of our eventual return remains uncertain.
On Nov 7, 2020, at 7:12 PM, Paul Feiner <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
One option that is under consideration would be to authorize people who have special needs to apply for a permit with the police that would be reviewed. There are some people with small driveways, special circumstances (disabled, medical, etc..). This would be limited modification of the law. We will discuss on Tuesday. I understand the concerns residents of Columbia have and want to also be responsive to your concerns. PAUL FEINER
From: Bryan Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 11:01 AMTo: Paul FeinerCc: Subject: Parking on Columbia Avenue
We understand you’re considering abolishing the no parking rules on certain town streets between January and March 15th. Please stop. We can not speak for other streets but it would be ludicrous for Columbia Ave.
We’ve been asking you for years to help Columbia Ave with our traffic, congestion and parking issues in part by not allowing those cars to park on our street at all. This new proposal would only make our situation worse during those winter months and make our street nearly impassable. We’ve complained to you repeatedly that even during good weather cars can barely pass each other on Columbia Ave. Drivers who park on our street thoughtlessly dump their trash on our lawns and carelessly block our driveways. This will only be worse when you mix in snow. It will be nearly impossible for snow plows to come through.
The reasons for this no parking law were logical and obvious when first implemented. Please do not change it.
From: Ann Sent: Saturday, November 7, 2020 1:49 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Modify Town Snow Ordinance?
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Dear Town Board,You asked for thoughts about the snow ordinance. Your questions seems to be directed towards individuals who would benefit from a change to said ordinance.Here are my thoughts for keeping the ordinance as is.Do we have enough police to completely enforce the laws that are currently in place without increasing the budget? Why is it necessary to waste resources to put up the digital signage to inform people? Where is personal responsibility in this proposal? How much in resources is being wasted by making sure the word gets out (in all forms) to not park because snow is expected?You asked should cars be towed for non-compliance? Upon notice of a snowstorm, will the police priority really be to patrol ALL of Greenburgh to ticket and/or tow cars that are parked? If not, then there’s no basis for suggesting the same. It may sound good but the reality is such statements lead nowhere.This is a common scenario in my neighborhood and on my block during snowstorms: the town plow comes along to do its job but there is a parked car in its path. The plow driver will honk their horn several times every time they come by in the hopes that the car owner will come out and move their car. Guess what? That car does not belong to any homeowner in the vicinity, nor is that car ever ticketed or towed.People have gotten wise that they more than likely will not be ticketed, much less towed, because the police are too busy with more important issues during snowstorms. I have lived here for 27 years. Not once during any snowstorm has a car that should not have been parked overnight on my block ever been towed. Not once, ever, in 27 years. To say cars will be ticketed and/or towed is very naive and delusional, and the reality is the police will be dealing with more important issues during snowstorms as they should be.How about some consideration for the homeowner who has to deal with cars parked up against both sides of their single car driveway on narrow roads from March 16 to November 30 because people can park on the street overnight during this time. The homeowner has to make a 90 degree turn in and out of their driveway because people are inconsiderate and only care about getting a spot. The current ordinance is the only time these tax paying homeowners get any type of relief from the situation. Have any board members ever had to deal with people parking their cars right up against their single car driveway?Other towns have the same snow ordinance. It works. Aren’t there more important issues in Greenburgh that require the attention of and action from the Town Board and Greenburgh Police Department? Owning a vehicle is a responsibility. Let the car owner be responsible. Please keep the ordinance as is.Sincerely,Ann
Issues of weather monitoring aside (who monitors? How is info reported? Who makes the call to invoke the ordinance and by what time?), if the existing blanket ordinance is changed to one based on a predictive model, then there needs to be very clear... See more
Liz , Edgemont
From: Lee Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 4:25 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Street parking
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Please don’t change to rules except for impending snow. People park in front of my house or right opposite of my house and I can’t park in front of my house. I’m disabled and I would like to park in front of my house where I don’t have to climb stairs from my garage to upstairs. It’s bad enough during the day and now you want at night also? Most people just want to park in front of their house because they are too lazy to park in their driveways!!!! Especially on small streets. People leave their cars for days who don’t even live in the neighborhood. Please don’t let them park at night unless there is a handicap person living in the home.
I am for the modification. I have to park on the grass all winter long if it snows or not.
Yes. Change the ordinance. I think this is a good idea. Most car owners will be responsible and move their cars when snow/ice is predicted.
From: Vincenzo Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 7:45 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Modify Snow Ordinance
Hello Mr. Feiner
Just read your proposal that you would like to bring up to the board to modify snow ordinance. I live on Hillcrest Ave in Ardsley and it would help our family out if could modify the snow ordinance to no parking on the street during snowfall or when the town is actively engaging in snow removal. We live on a small street and we know all the neighbors and it is easily enforceable for Hillcrest Ave. I like the village ordinance that Dobbs Ferry has in place which states:
Declaration of snow emergency.
A snow emergency shall exist throughout the entire Village when snow is falling or the Village Department of Public Works is engaged in removing snow from Village streets and shall continue in existence so long as the Department of Public Works is engaged in removing snow from any Village street. The Village Administrator shall, from time to time, issue public announcements concerning snow emergencies by any means reasonably calculated to inform vehicle owners and operators, but it shall not be a defense to a charge of violating snow emergency regulations that the defendant was unaware of any such announcement.
Any help would be greatly appreciated. You can start with our our street as a pilot program to see how it works. Thank you and the board for your assistance.
From: Karin Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 1:43 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Modifying the snow ordinance, for the Greenburgh Town Board work session on Tuesday
Dear Paul and Town Board Members,
I strongly recommend that the Town of Greenburgh modify the snow ordinance to only apply if a snow is predicted 24 hours in advance.
In Hartsdale, almost all Columbia Avenue apartment residents (e.g., in about 50 apartments in Hartsdale Towers, maybe with 2 cars each) and most on East Hartsdale Avenue lack parking lot, garage, or driveway.
The Hartsdale SDA Church on Columbia Avenue does not permit its parkers to park in its lot on weekends (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday nights). If they can’t park on the street overnight either, where can they all possibly park?
There is rarely enough snow predicted for everyone to need to be inconvenienced or fined every night, when their car would not cause any inconvenience staying put.
The Hartsdale Public Parking District parking gives no option to park specifically during the period of winter parking, Dec. 1 to March 15, since they go by calendar year quarters. To be covered during that period, you would need to sign up for the 1st and the 4th quarter.
SOLUTION FOR MOST WINTER NIGHTS:
Modify the snow ordinance for Columbia Avenue and East Hartsdale Avenue in Hartsdale to only apply if a snow is predicted 24 hours in advance. For the few nights when snow is predicted, residents are notified 24 hours in advance, and need to come up with individual solutions.
Thank you for caring about us.
Hartsdale, NY 10530
From: Monique Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 6:11 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance parking
Hi Paul, I hope this email finds you well. Congratulations for all that you and the town did for the recent election - it was handled as well as it could have been considering the incredible amount of voters that turned out.
Just wanted to give you my two cents on the snow ordinance from Dec 1-March 15. I agree that there are many days, in fact most days, where there is no snow expected, and therefore I'd support a modification of the ordinance to only declared snow emergencies. I don't know how that would affect enforcement, if it would make it more difficult for the Sanitation Dept (i.e. people don't pay attention to moving their cars, etc), but I think its worth a try if it can make people's lives easier. I live in Fulton Park and have enough room in my driveway, but others aren't as fortunate.
Thanks for your continued efforts for the town.
From: StephenSent: Friday, November 6, 2020 1:24 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Yes I would prefer that the town ordinance be amended so that street parking would be unlawful only if snow is predicted.
From: Avinash Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 10:32 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Change to Snow rules during winter time
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Dear Board,It is a very good idea to amend the rule and allow parking during winter month except when there is snow advisory.I live at 9 Campus place, Scarsdale where we have limited parking and many residents park at Paradise Drive. Parking has become an issue during day time also because many residents are working from home. It will be very convenient for us if you amend the rule and allow us to park on the street with exceptions when there is snow advisory.I look forward to attending the town meeting.Thanks,Avinash
From: Stacey Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 8:51 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Alternate Side
Hope things are well.
With everyone home more often now is there any way we can get alternate side parking restrictions lifted for the winter here on Fieldstone?
I know it is probably a long shot but wanted to ask regardless.
From: Elaine Sent: Friday, November 6, 2020 9:08 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow parking
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Great idea to change parking restrictions for 12/1 thru 3/15
From: kSent: Friday, November 6, 2020 9:58 AMTo: Town Board; Paul FeinerSubject: Modify Snow Ordinance
Hello Paul & Town Board,
ABSOLUTELY - MODIFY THE SNOW ORDINANCE SO IT WOULD ONLY APPLY IF SNOW IS PREDICTED 24 HOURS IN ADVANCE!!
For over 30 years my family has been inconvenienced by this ordinance.
Our driveway is steep and narrow and only allows the cars to be parked single file.
The car parked at the bottom of the driveway is so close to the side of the house, it is difficult to open the car door.
When our kids were home, we had four cars.
Every night we had to wait until everyone was home so that we could jockey the cars depending on who was leaving first, second and so on.
If we left a car on the street and forgot to move it into the driveway, we left ourselves open for a ticket even though it was 50 degrees and impossible to snow.
The kids are gone but it is still a problem. Since I leave early in the morning, I need to park behind my wife who often gets home late at night.
So, I leave my car on the street, doze off on the couch and my wife wakes me up after she gets home every single night so I can move my car into the driveway.
Sometimes she forgets to wake me, or I am just too tired, and it stays on the street all night risking a ticket.
I could site many other instances, but you get the point.
Regarding “how can we make sure that cars are off the roads when there is an anticipated storm?”
Perhaps there could be a limit on the number of cars left on the street during this time period. Fewer cars = fewer potential problems.
Each household would receive a maximum number of stickers (2) to be used for cars left on the street.
Those cars on the street without a sticker would either be towed or ticketed for first/second offense(s) and then towed.
I imagine there will be other viable solutions proposed by others.
Furthermore, if it is working on East Hartsdale Avenue, put the same parameters in place town wide – it can always be modified or “tweaked” if it does not appear to be working ideally.
All that being said, the priority should be to modify the ordinance before December 1st.
Thanks for listening.
From: Jack Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 8:24 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Modification of snow ordinance?
At the risk of stating the obvious, notification will be a never-ending problem. GPD can issue all the tickets they want, but the burden of proof is on the Town to prove that the homeowner has received and acknowledged the notification of the impending snow. (Yes, I know ignorance of the law is no excuse.) The courts will have no choice but to throw every one out. Ticket writing will be a waste of time.
A better alternative seems to be to address the individual issues without a global solution. Just a thought.
From: Kenneth Date: November 5, 2020 at 3:38:06 PM ESTTo: email@example.comSubject: Snow ordinance
I feel it should remain the same it has work well for many years. Not broken why fix. How many tickets have been issue during this time period probably nothing but warnings. Hazard to miss parked cars for proper cleaning. Will take several years to get this change out to everyone and for it to be understood especially the notification of when snow emergency in affect.
From: Murray Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 3:49 PMTo: Paul FeinerCc: Town Board; Timothy Lewis; Judith A. Beville; Chris McNerney; Richard Fon; Garrett P. Duquesne; Aaron Schmidt; David FriedSubject: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
I approve of the concept. There are my thoughts:
From being at Planning Board meetings I am aware of Fire Districts requests for two access points. Joyce Road, from Westway to the Dead End has only one. Therefore, vehicles must be prohibited from parking on one side of Joyce Road from Westway to the Dead end. This is to provide immediate access to first responders. I have spoken to a number of my neighbors and they agree.
There must be a NO STOPPING sign in the Dead End circle so vehicles can turn around unimpeded. There was a problem with the sanitation truck on Monday and I asked the driver to report it to Rich Fon.
Thank you for your consideration. I will speak about this when there is an opportunity.
From: Carol Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 4:34 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.We think it’s a good idea to allow parking on streets in winter.Carol
From: Andrea Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 5:14 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance
I am absolutely opposed to modifying the snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted. Many streets are to narrow, many people drive to fast. I think this would create more problems than it would solve. In addition, if approved, I believe many people will not adhere to permitted hours Thank you. Sincerely, Andrea
From: Al Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 5:16 PMTo: Paul Feiner; firstname.lastname@example.orgCc: Dorrine Subject: Snow Ordinance
Mr. Paul Feiner,
Greenburgh Town Board,
When moving from the Bronx to Greenburgh 41 years ago street parking was one of the biggest Quality of Life / Safety benefits we encountered. When it snowed or during bad weather street parking in the Bronx was a major problem; not in Greenburgh. In the Bronx navigating around parked cars, backing down a street, cars frozen in place became the norm. And these were during alternate side of the street parking times when parking was not permitted. The streets were never cleaned right, snow removal was prolonged and the streets became a safety disaster. As street parking got out of control winters in the Bronx became more dangerous. Please don’t let it happen to Greenburgh.
Aside from the downtown Hartsdale area (Hartsdale Ave south of Central Ave) I would actually recommend expanding the no street parking ordinance from November 1 to April 15th. The downtown Hartsdale area is a special situation that needs special consideration due to lack of parking space.
Thanks for listening, once you start there is no going back.
I don’t see any reason to prohibit parked cars on the street during December through March unless snow is predicted. It should be up to the car owners to research the weather forecast and determine whether or not to park on the street or elsewhere. Perhaps people can get on the email or text list.
Allow parking when snow not predicted
Mrs, Secor Woods
Yes modify as many people cant fit the cars in our driveways. You can send a ohone/email blast or if the news forecasts snow then the streets need to be empty. Families have members on different schedules so it would make it inconvenient just some... See more
Families that don’t have room in THEIR OWN DRIVEWAYS should make arrangement for paid parking for those 3.5 months. This is not Greenburgh s responsibility—although it should be part of urban planning!
Changing the law is a terrible idea. There are many times during the winter where there is no snow emergency but a there are slippery conditions where salt trucks come out and treat the roads. There are many narrow roads in Greenburgh. Allowing parking... See more
From: J Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:53 AMTo: Town BoardCc: Britta Subject: Re: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
Good morning Town Board,
I second this motion. Please let me know what must be done to have this enacted throughout Hartsdale. Snow days appear to be fewer and fewer.
I also greatly appreciate your allowance for extended parking on Columbia Ave during this pandemic. It is immensely helpful and very appreciated.
From: NotSent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 2:15 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Modify Snow Ordinance
We should NOT modify the current snow ordinance that’s been working very successfully for many, many years. I have spoken to many DPW workers over the years and to a MAN , they all favor having vehicles OFF the street for easier snow removal. Additionally, they mention the real threat of liability in hitting a parked car when trying to clear the streets. To avoid this problem, they leave a wide swarth of the street not shovel because of this. Which obviously, impacts us trying to navigate with a half shoveled street.
With all due respect to the folks in E. Hartsdale, they knew the area BEFORE moving there. So logic would dictate to have a plan for your vehicle before moving into the neighborhood. This would also apply to individuals with small driveways…you knew this when buying?...no surprise.
I have also seen vehicles parked on the street and never moved! This ordinance gives folks a wake-up call to get rid of unwanted/unused vehicles for cleaning.
Since we cannot reliably predict the weather (as we have witnessed in the past), it would be folly to only move on days PREDICTED by the weather folks of an upcoming snow event!
So if you decide to keep those exceptions in place for E. Hartsdale. Great for them! Maybe you can look at paving unused land for parking in the vicinity???
I say leave the ordinance alone for the rest of us!
From: PaulSent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 8:08 AMTo: Paul Feiner; Town BoardCc: Robin Subject: Snow Ordinance Proposal
I wanted to express my views on the potential to modify the snow ordinance rules in Greenburgh. As a resident of a private home in Hartsdale with a narrow driveway, we always dread December 1st, when the overnight parking rules go into effect. The three cars that we have need to be stacked behind each other and they hardly fit without sticking out into the road. And in the mornings, when we are headed out to work, etc. it is an inconvenience to jockey them around. The reality is that it doesn’t snow all that often and to have a regulation in effect for 3 and ½ months because it might snow 3-5 times is overkill. I am aware of the modified rules that were put into effect on East Hartsdale Ave a few years ago and they seem to work well. I would strongly support a change in the snow ordinance rules as described in the email below from Supervisor Feiner or at the very least a pilot program for this winter to see how it works.
From: Lorraine Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:10 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Cars on street
People have two and three cars apartment and coops have no place to park as it is the plows godown the middle anyway it’s hughe burden and people can’t find alternate parking. Change of times. Handicap can not walk up hills please it’s time to change. Too many cars n people now
November 5 at 5:39 AM
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From: jenifer Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 6:26 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Hartsdale Winter Parking suggestions--Snow Ordinance
I want to thank Paul Feiner for his Facebook post on this issue, one that I and many fellow residents of East Hartsdale Ave deal with each winter.
I am currently a resident of 140 East Hartsdale Ave. While my building does have a parking lot, there are no available spaces and I am on a waiting list for 24hr parking in Lot C. Additionally, 150, 160, and 170 EHA do not offer parking at all. Waiting lists for the lots are quite long, and competition for a spot on Rockledge can be intense, even during the the rest of year.
This winter I will continue to work from home, as many people are in this day and age. The lifting of the 3 hour parking restriction on Columbia Ave earlier this year was such a relief, as quarantine, sickness and a changing work routine made schedules unpredictable. I strongly feel that allowing overnight parking in designated areas during the winter would continue to help all of us who are adjusting to this new way of life.
On days when snow is predicted, why not allow the use of the commuter lots for overnight parking, at least for residents of East Hartsdale Ave? Fewer people are commuting via train these days, and since parking overnight is not allowed there as a rule, utilizing these spots would be much more convenient than trying to jockey for a meter or parking at Webb field. In the long term, would reclassifying these spots be an option? This could open up more 24hr parking for EHA residents and shorten the already long waiting list.
East Hartsdale Ave is a vibrant area, and the local businesses--especially the weekend farmer's market--are simply fantastic. Many of my neighbors have lived here for a decade or more, and I understand why. I'm glad to live here and anything that would help improve the quality of life for us would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for listening... If I can offer any other help, please feel free to contact me.
Wishing the best of health for you and your families.
From: Jeffrey Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 7:16 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Responding re: Snow Ordinance
Please keep the ordinance as is. Although some may indeed have small driveways, most have too many residents in their small homes and they all drive. The streets are overcrowded with parked vehicles, creating too many blind spots for drivers.Thanks
From: Britta Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 8:15 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Fwd: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
Yes, yes, and yes! I was just thinking about this the other day, that we are coming up on Dec 1 and this ridiculous ordinance. While I certainly understand why it is in place - Streets need to be cleared of snow after all - the last few years it has snowed only a handful of times each winter and disabling parking on all public streets for 105 nights because say 12 of those had snow is quite inconvenient.
Last winter we had large e-signage implemented on E Hartsdale Ave which worked well from a resident point of view. BTW, there is no signage regarding this general snow ordinance on our streets in Hartsdale. Many new residents are not aware of this ordinance at all. About 5 years ago there was a big accident in front of 80 E Hartsdale and the big snow ordinance sign was destroyed and never replaced. That was the only way people knew about this; and where to alternate park.
I happen to get a ticket several years back for this exact thing ( there was no snow predicted at all, but I was simply not aware of the rule) and I assume with proper signage people will need to get towed if you do get the occasional person who does not adhere to the warnings of snow and where to put there car in that case. The town could put signs on all parked cars during the day to make people aware. I know thats probably logistically not feasible. Perhaps the person(s) who give out parking tix could do that while they make their rounds?
With the way winters have been going, there will only be occasional snow days now and it would help quite a bit not to have to stress about where to park ones car if the weather is nice despite the time of year. Thank you for considering this.
From: Anita Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 8:01 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Modifying Snow Ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.I am so glad this topic came up as it is a major inconvenience. There is barely anywhere to park as it is and this only compounds that problem. I never understood why we couldn’t just leave our cars put if there wasnt any snow. Where I used to live the system they used was if it snowed during the night you had to move your car by 7a to allow plow to remove snow from the parking lot. If it snowed during the day, one hour after it stopped you had to move your car. They always drove through blowing the horn as a signal to move car. Sometimes they would plow around the car and sometimes tow it. But maybe the town could try something like that.At any rate I would be delighted to not have to worry about this issue as a resident of Rex Ridge.Thank you
Thank you Paul.
I appreciate your work on this.
Apologies, but I can’t find the information stating when the three hour parking rules on Columbia Ave in Hartsdale will be enforced again. Do you have the link or date you could share?
Your work to allow a reprieve from these parking rules during this pandemic has been greatly appreciated by many in 1-11 Columbia Ave. We appreciate the understanding and thoughtfulness of the town in this matter.
From: Barbara Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 8:17 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow parking ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Hi,I live on Secor Road and I agree with the request to change the snow ordinance to give residents 24 hour notice prior to a storm. The change would alleviate pressure and stress on households like ours where we have a 2 car driveway but our family has 4 cars to park. The overnight parking is an uneccessary burden as we find we are constantly shuffling cars.Additionally, wondering if there might be an opportunity to have designated snow parking areas in the case of a pending storm. For example, for cars that need to be off the street prior to a predicted storm, maybe parking lots can be utilized like those at Ridge Road park or Secor Woods park to help residents get cars off the street in this situation.Thank you for considering this!Barbara
From: silSent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 8:50 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Many people live in homes with small driveways and find it difficult to comply with the ordinance.
Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
hello paul. we live in edgemont and our vote is YES. it’s 3 1/2 months of pure nuisance for us to juggle the cars, when 85% of the time there’s no snow. of course with any prediction of snow/ice/slush when the trucks will be out salting/clearing, it’s necessary to get the cars off the street. no problem there.
November 5 at 8:26 AM
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From: Hugh Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:01 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Fwd: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
This change would come as a relief for some of the residents on Bryant Street. The jockeying of cars has increased with most families owning two cars, and having small driveways. Also, some adult children have returned home with their vehicles resulting with more families planning to park the additional vehicles on their front sidewalk / lawns. Residents have, and are planning to increase the size of their driveways solely based on the snow ordinance.
The community needs a quick way to access the snow parking status from a smart phone. If a resident can access the information on a Town approved dashboard it will eliminate a lot of "is street parking allowed ?" questions to the Police Department and to Town Officials. If it is an easy to use app, I am confident the majority of residents would appreciate the opportunity to try the new program for a "test" winter. The app would eliminate the guesswork.
When snow is predicted residents prepare for it as a normal winter event (food items, snow blowers gassed, shovels handy, etc). The parking status would just be another item on the checklist.
Snow Ordinance Violation should be a $50.00 ticket. Towing zones should be restricted to areas with appropriate signage and justification. My street does not need a tow ordinance, a $50.00 ticket will prevent a second mistake.
From: Michael Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:14 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
I think that is a great idea since the majority of the time there is no snow and for my family, who have 3 cars and a Narrow driveway it’s a daily ritual to get the cars in the right order in the drive way.
I have also noticed that the enforcement of 3 hour parking on Columbia Ave has been suspended I’m guessing due to Corona Virus and the fact that many people are working from home. I would just ask that people are given ample warning when it will be enforced regularly again.
From: Junius Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:14 AMTo: Paul Feiner; Subject: SHOULD THE TOWN'S SNOW ORDINANCE BE REMOVED
First, let me say that we have lived in the Town of Greenburgh for more than 40 years and, there has never been a snow storm that I recall whereby the Town's roadways were not available to us in less than 24 hours after the storm (given we got our driveways cleaned - not the Town's job). So, thanks for the great work DPW!!!
Secondly, I think the question of a removal of the snow ordinance is a matter of safety and the greater good for residents. So, I would ask: Are more residents impacted negatively (safety, inconvenience, etc.) by the current snow ordinance than not? If so, then there is a larger question about how to address the issue. If not, then it seems to me that the Town might explore the "areas of inconvenience" (if they can be categorized as such) to determine if exceptions can/should be applied. How did the exceptions work for E. Hartsdale Avenue? Could they be applied to larger "areas" of the Town and work similarly?
Finally, if the town-wide snow ordinance was removed, how would things work when there is a storm? A few questions arise: (1) the reliability of the weather reports; (2) real predictability of the storm itself; (3) compliance by residents to remove their cars from the roadways (where exceptions do not apply); and (4) the time and work for the DPW because of the variations in vehicles on the streets.
Just a few thoughts and questions.
From: Chaitali Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:20 AMTo: News & Town Board Reports (gblist); Paul FeinerSubject: Re: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
East hartsdale is a very busy street with huge volume and it's understandable that allowance has been made. If this is allowed then we need to have stricter guidelines in places and enforced, since currently there are people who still park on the street with this ordinance being in place during winter when they have a driveway which can be used on certain street where there is high volume with school buses, vans, delivery trucks, town vehicles, etc..
What is in place to patrol them?
From: Kim Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:41 AMTo: Paul Feiner; Town BoardSubject: Comments re snow ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Hi-I am writing regarding the proposal to change the parking restrictions in place in Greenburgh during the winter months. I fully support changing the ordinance to only restrict parking when snow is predicted.Our home has a one car driveway and in the winter months we are constantly trying to squeeze the other car in the driveway, swapping who’s car is blocked in based on who has to leave for work earlier, etc. With an infant and a toddler in the home, this often proves challenging because they can’t be left unattended for both adults to go outside and swap cars. Having grandma stay overnight for Christmas leaves us asking neighbors who might be away and have an extra spot in their driveway she use.How incredible! I live in the highest taxed locale in the country and I can’t even have grandma stay overnight for Christmas without this hassle. Clearly if snow were predicted we’d move the car somewhere, even if it meant paying for parking somewhere. But on a regular night it is just so unnecessary.In addition I remember my “welcome to Greenburgh” as being the most unfriendly welcome I have ever received. My father drove in from the Midwest the month we moved into our home in 2015. I was 8 months pregnant and he was here to help us unpack and move furniture. He drove from DesMoines and parked directly in front of my gate, on a remote side street, overnight. In the morning we found a ticket on his windshield. I had never heard of this ordinance and had never seen a sign stating parking was restricted. I called Greenburgh police and was told there was a sign down central avenue (where he had never been at that point) and there was nothing they could do to help me. Welcome to the neighborhood!In summary, I really hope this is something we can change.Thank you,Kim
From: SHARON Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:46 AMTo: Town BoardCc: Paul FeinerSubject: Opinion on Snow Ordinance Parking from an Edgemont resident
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Dear Member of the Town Board,Thank you so much for reaching out regarding Greenburgh residents’ opinions regarding this snow ordinance prohibiting overnight street parking from December through mid-March. As 15-year-long residents of Edgemont, we are so grateful for the care taken to protect our community’s safety through assiduous snow removal on the often slippery and windy streets of Greenburgh. However, this blanket rule often feels overly strict, particularly on clear nights with 0% precipitation forecasted. Our college-aged daughter (who lives out of state) leaves her small car in front of our house on a cut-de-sac in order not to block the driveway. My husband leaves extremely early for his job, and I take our children to school, so when we have to move her car back and forth into and out of the driveway, it creates an unnecessary annoyance and delay in the morning routine. Obviously, this is not a huge problem in the grand scheme of suburban life and feels almost embarrassing and obnoxious to complain about the inconvenience of having an additional car to tend to that does not fit into our garage. Yet, last year she received a ticket on her windshield that was given out in the dead of night underneath a perfectly clear sky (I believe it was one of those eerily warm winter nights with temperatures near 60 degrees) and no precipitation forecasted whatsoever. It felt aggressive and ridiculous to receive a ticket for breaching snow removal protocols.All anyone wants is common sense rules that help our community. It seems that we should be able to create an arrangement that makes sure that the hardworking sanitation teams can remove snow without impediment if necessary, while acknowledging that not every overnight period from December through March requires empty streets. It would enhance our comfort to be able to utilize overnight street parking during these months in good weather. If you could consider a compromise on this restriction, we would be grateful.Thanks so much for taking up this issue. A great advantage to living in the suburbs is not having to worry about moving one’s parked car back and forth to avoid ticketing.Stay well during these challenging times, and again many thanks for your work on behalf of our community.Best,Sharon
From: Jacqueline Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 9:53 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow Ordinance
Following up on the question of snow ordinance. Here are my two cents!
Yes I think cars should be allowed to park on the street if there is not snow in the forecast. First, last year there was hardly any snow, and let's face it, that is the continued trend we see every year.
Second, there are no signs anywhere that say anything about this ordinance so unless you are familiar with town rules, you would have no idea. That doesnt seem fair or just - and certainly not within legal limits if you are going to tow someone's car.
I got a ticket when I first moved here for parking on the street during the winter, and only learned just now from this post that there is an ordinance. I have owned a home here for three years. This seems a little backwards.
My suggestion would be to remove the ordinance and only enact it for snow emergencies in which you can put out emergency street signs.
If you keep the ordinance, then it is your moral obligation to also put up permanent signs saying this. If there are signs, there arent enough because I looked high and low after the ticket and couldnt find them.
From: Suzanne Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 1:14 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow
We think you should not change the snow ordinance.
From: Michael Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:16 AMTo: Town Board; Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
My wife and I have been living at Rex Ridge Co-Operative Apartments since October 2015 when we bought our apartment at 29 Fieldstone Drive. The Rex Ridge complex is comprised of several hundred units and parking on Fieldstone Drive has always been an issue. There are many nights when we have to park quite a distance from our apartment when we arrive home from our jobs, even in the period from April through December 1 when there is no snow ordinance in place. We do have one reserved parking space which can accommodate only one of our vehicles. During the snow ordinance period, finding parking on Fieldstone Drive can be close to impossible when arriving home from work in the late afternoon or early evening.
Additionally, the restriction makes it extremely difficult for anyone who comes to visit us to find parking. This has been a real issue during the holidays. I have heard this complaint from many of our neighbors, as well.
I understand the need to keep the street free of vehicles during periods of snow, but I fail to understand the need for enforcement during periods of no snow- like last winter when we had no significant snow episodes.
I would suggest the Town consider amending the rule so that the rule be enforced only in the event of a snow emergency. Perhaps utilizing reverse 911 technology which would alert all who sign up would be a way to allow residents to the need to ensure their vehicles are parked on the correct side of the street to accommodate snow removal by the Town.
As an aside, we moved here from Harrison, which uses the technology quite effectively to get the word out about snow removal, changes in garbage pick up, etc.
Your consideration to change the Snow Ordinance Rule would be greatly appreciated.
From: MarilynSent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:30 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Town Parking Rules for Dec 1 - March 15
Good Morning Paul,
I am opposed to the possibility of revising Town Parking Rules to now allow parking Dec 1st - March 15 on those streets where it is currently enforced. There is a reason those parking rules were established on certain streets and that should continue to be acknowledged by the Town.
On Columbia Ave itself, in the best of times, it is difficult when cars are passing each other because in general cars are a lot larger/wider now, than when the street was first built. Additionally, Columbia Ave will become in winter months even more of a long-term parking lot than it is now, as the police never ticket the cars that are sitting here for days at a time, despite the 3-hour parking regulations during the other 9 months.
I urge you not to cave in to the multitude of residents of EHAve that will probably bombard you with requests to allow local streets to become parking lots year round. I'm sure there are many other streets in the entire Town of Greenburgh that are under this Dec1-March15 no parking ruling, but I can only speak to the area I'm familiar with.
I hope you and your family remain well during these trying times. Kindly acknowledge receipt of this email.
From: Crystal Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:42 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: modifying snow ordinance
I am writing to ask for the rejection of a new snow ordinance due to the width of our streets. I have four children who ride the bus and when cars are currently parked on the sidewalk the bus has difficulty navigating through the street. This also creates a dangerous situation when my children enter, and exit the bus. As a result the vehicles on the street create blind spots for drivers, obstructing view to kids or adults who are crossing the street. In our area we struggle with speeding vehicles and motorcycles on a regular basis if any change should be made, speed bumps should be what the town should focus on.I fear for my kids all the time, they can't even ride their bikes because of it. The reckless drivers don't need to have more freedom to have cars blasting music, or racing up and down the streets. How can I request a speed bump on my block?
From: Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:40 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Thoughts on Street Parking from Dec 1 to March 15th
I like that people cannot park on the streets from Dec 1 to March 15th. It declutters the neighborhood. Many people have a driveway, but still park some or all their cars on the street.
The Hartsdale Ave street parking makes sense but I look forward each year to no parking on the more suburban-like streets. On my street, it sometimes has so many cars that it’s hard for the buses to get by easily.
From: Mel Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:45 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Street parking during winter.
Looks like it's been thought out fairly well -- allowing some residents to park in the street when it is not snowing -- and it is a boon to residents with not enough off-street parking. I have no problem with allowing it. However, I did not see the thoughts on what that means when there is already snow in the streets from an earlier snowfall.
Since, in such instances, cars will not be able to get close to the curb, parking in the streets (especially where such parking is allowed on both sides) may seriously impede traffic (especially for emergency vehicles).
What I thought could be done is to have homeowners who wish this boon to register with the Police Department (or the Public Works Department) and get a sticker that allows such parking. The registrant will also have to give at least two (2) telephone numbers and an e-Mail address so that if their car(s) have to be moved, they can be contacted to do so. Moving such cars will not be instantaneous, but it would possibly avoid having them towed. Cars without the sticker could be towed immediately.
Depending upon the neighborhood, you might consider designating one or more streets (or areas) where street parking would be allowed during an impending snow event (something like alternate street parking in New York City). It will disadvantage some homeowners, but it will allow their streets to be plowed and then they can move their cars back to their street so the alternate area can be plowed. That should also be implemented with the previous suggestion so car owners can be contacted when it's OK to move their cars back.
I don't have a street parking problem, but I hope this helps those who do.
Can you please clarify – “If we modify the law we could only authorize this on certain streets”
Are you saying you could modify the ordinance for certain streets only and leave others as is, such as Shaw?
From: William Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:54 PMTo: Town Board; Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
Per Supv. Feiner's email: I plan to bring this up at a Town Board work session next Tuesday. Please e mail me your thoughts. How has the snow ordinance impacted your life? Is it inconvenient? What do you do during the winter months? If we modify the ordinance how can we make sure that cars are off the roads when there is an anticipated storm? If cars don't comply we would have to tow away the cars? Any suggestions you have would be appreciated. Please e mail the Town Board at email@example.com. I'd like the Town Board members to hear all comments on the issue.
We believe the snow ordinance should stand "No parking on streets between December 1st to March 15th".
However, the ordinance that prohibits parking on homeowner's lawns or their house sidewalks (not town sidewalks) should be amended to allow parking during December 1st to March 15th to alleviate illegal parking on the street. Maybe the zoning laws should also be amended to allow additional impervious coverage percentages to allow for additional parking spaces with small driveways.
In fact, the Police should ticket the cars that hang into the roadway from their driveways so that when the snowplow comes it must plow a wide swath around the cars thereby missing cleaning the street in front of your driveway. This is because the houses/driveways are built so close together.
Many neighbors park their cars hanging into the street because they do not want to clean the driveway before leaving for work. There should be an ordinance that cars must have a 2 foot clearance from driveway to Town roadway and be enforced!
I do not believe there would be enough Police on duty to ticket all the cars parking on the streets town-wide when a snowstorm is coming. Furthermore when the owners clean off their cars they would be throwing the snow back into the street!
What would a homeowner do if their neighbors park in front of your house and leave the street in front of their house empty so the snow plow cannot clean in front of your house? Many fights between neighbors! Parking on streets would cause many more "blind-spots" on corners and intersections thereby more pedestrian and vehicles accidents. More Town expense for additional "No Parking" signage for these areas.
We also do not have an adequate town-wide communications system to notify everyone, nor enough digital signs to cover the Town. So we will have lots of non-compliance. Yes, the Town should always tow the illegal parked cars, even under current Town ordinances! People do not listen and unless they are financially punished, either "take away their car", you will not get compliance. Giving them a warning ticket or a $50 ticket is no big deal. Snowplow drivers should be directed to call the Police to tow the non-compliant vehicle.
The Town should go back to having weekly Bulk garbage pickups or Spring/Fall Cleanup Days; residents would clean out their garages and be able to park their car in there. Residents do not want to incur the cost of hiring "1-800 JUNK" so they just store the stuff in the garage and park outside. It might be cheaper for the Town to do this then incur overtime and additional Police/Sanitation salaries, expenses for tow trucks and digital signs.
Also when a house has too many cars, HINT: maybe illegal rental of rooms?
I also do not believe we should award "stupid". People should measure their driveway or garage and think "a huge SUV and a minivan" will not fit on my driveway/garage so I shouldn't buy/lease that car! Other residents should not have to pay extra taxes for their stupidity/mistakes.
From: Sean Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:55 PMTo: Paul FeinerCc: A Subject: FW: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
Please do not modify this ordinance. We live on Shaw Lane in Irvington. As you know, this a very windy and narrow road right off of Taxter. Everyone has a driveway and can manage their vehicles if so desired. Even in the best of weather, garbage trucks and other town vehicles need to be extra careful when maneuvering in the neighborhood.
You would greatly affect the quality of life and make Shaw very dangerous for it’s residents. It may even have an affect on property values.
There are more vehicles (cars, trucks, delivery vans, etc.) on the roads than every before.
This ordinance was established for a reason. So let’s be very mindful of that.
Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.
From: MarilynSent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:53 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Parking Suggestion EHAve area
I drive by the vacant area where those 2 houses stood on lower West Hartsdale Ave and often wonder why the Town doesn't just pave/gravel that 2-lot surface and allow resident parking there on an interim basis.
I know this area was purchased with the long-term intention of incorporating it into the 4-Corners revitalization. But since that will be well into the future, is there any reason why it can't temporarily (for years?) be used as another parking area for local residents?
Also, do you remember when White Plains enacted their parking ruling that said no overnight parking on streets 2am-6am and the uproar that caused? Yet, strangely, everyone found off-street parking, and now it is just a blip on everyone's screen that this is the way it is in White Plains. Why can't Greenburgh just stand up and acknowledge to residents that this Dec 1 - March 15 parking ruling will continue to be enforced?
Dec 1-March 15 is just the way it is in certain areas of Greenburgh. People who move here, live here understand that. And they always locate/use each year alternative parking during that 3.5 month time period so it's not like it doesn't exist. Please don't jam this parking change too down the throats of Columbia Ave residents.
From: Elaine Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 10:58 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
Thank you for taking the time to ask residents about the parking ordinance.
I live in Poet's Corners. My driveway barely fits the two cars we have. In fact, my husband cannot have his car at the bottom of our inclined driveway because there is not enough space for him to get out of the car. All last winter, I moved our cars in and out of the driveway, every time we needed to go out and put them in nightly. It did not snow at all. There was no reason for this hassle.
Before living in Poet's Corners, we lived in Hartsdale Village. The ordinance for parking changed there and people only had to move cars when snow was predicted. I think the same accommodations should be made in our neighborhood. I would always make sure that my car was out of the way when snowfall was predicted. If there was a website, app, or phone number, I would make sure that I checked the status of parking and act accordingly. It would be another action I took prior to any storm. Cars, who did not move, should get ticketed. In my neighborhood, if someone got a ticket, they would not park there in a storm again.
Thank you for listening,
From: Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:09 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Town Snow Ordinance
Hi Mr. Feiner,
Hope this email finds you well. As of resident of the Town of Greenburgh, it would be a huge convenience to my family to
modify the Snow Ordinance. When we have overnight out of town guests visiting from 12/1 - 3/15, it is always an adventure
to figure out the parking situation. On days where snow is predicted, maybe the town can send out a robo call or blast
email by a specific time informing the public that overnight parking is prohibited due to the prediction of snow? Just a thought.
Thank you for looking out for your residents.
From: Steve Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:09 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Greenburgh Snow ordinance
I hope this email finds everyone on the townboard doing well and I would like to thank you for all the hard work done, and especially the work done during the election.
I would be against allowing cars to park overnight during winter months for a few reasons. The first being the street I live on is very narrow and and does not have much passing space. Allowing cars to park will complicate things especially if it snows and a car fails to move in time for plows. School buses would have trouble getting around these vehicles that don't comply and it would present more of a dangerous condition for our residents. The second problem would be Icy road conditions. The street I live on is also very hilly. Cars parked on roadway will now be subject to getting hit by vehicles driving in icy conditions. So you will definitely see a rise in motor vehicle accidents. Residents should make use of their driveways and garages during these few months of the year. Emergency vehicles must have a clear and unobstructed way to reach people who need them during snowy conditions.
I believe this should be a street by street request and not a town wide ordinance.
From: Mike Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 11:12 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow Ordinance Comments
Hello Board Members,
I'm writing in response to Supervisor Feiner's email regarding thoughts on modifying the town's snow ordinance.
I believe that the snow ordinance should be modified. I think that many people have a hard time complying - certainly in my neighborhood - when the reality is that we have been having (knock on wood) mild winters, which are reportedly forecasted to continue this year.
Being new to the town in January of this year, I was unfamiliar with the ordinance but noticed tickets on nearly every car when we first moved. We had my (soon to be) father-in-law park on the grass one day in order to not get ticketed since we still weren't exactly sure of the rules, only to receive a letter from the town not to do that because parking needed to be a paved surface. Luckily, we don't face this challenge often, but our neighbor most certainly does and I know she's concerned - a modification to the ordinance would be a great help to many in our neighborhood.
Our neighbor and I recently looked into expanding our driveways jointly - as many others in our neighborhood have - but found the process to be incredibly difficult and incredibly costly. In addition to the price to extend the driveways, it seems we'd need engineers and architects to be able complete all the paperwork for a simple residential addition that two neighbors very much wanted to do together. The requirements causing the necessity of these additional parties was going to add (in my opinion anyway) unnecessary thousands of dollars to the project. We ultimately decided, not now but with the ordinance coming she will have problems with parking.
I mention this for two reasons. One, to further provide real-life examples of concerns and impositions of the ordinance and two, to provide a further option. If there could be an easier path for driveway expansion, some homes may be able to solve a part of the problem, while increasing home value. Though the easiest path would seem to be a modification of the ordinance as was posited as a question in the email from the Supervisor - taking into account snow prediction 24 hours in advance or something similar. I believe that there would still be the issue of the snow days and what to do with cars then, though at least for now, that would hopefully be minimal.
Thank you for soliciting feedback from the community.
From: Dennis Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2020 12:24 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance
Hi Paul. I am in favor of keeping the ordinance as is. I think unexpected snow would create difficulty for the plows and towing non complying vehicles will definitely create hard feelings. Thanks for soliciting resident feedback.
This is a great idea. It hard to find parking. Local businesses don’t want overnight parking which could help.
From: Jonathan Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:23 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Re: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
I think it would be a great solution to modify the snow ordinance to exclude days with no snow in the forecast.
I live on Shaw Ln in East Irvington. I have a small driveway that barely fits 2 cars, yet we have 3 cars and often have relatives spending the night to assist with childcare. In the winter months we result to parking on the side lawn or sometimes bothering our generous neighbors to allow us to double park in their driveway. This is also an issue for our neighbors on Eiler Lane which is even more narrow and slopes than Shaw Ln.
If there is snow in the forecast an email should be generated as a courtesy reminder to remove cars from the street. If there is failure to comply than a summons at that point seems fitting. Multiple summons could raise the consequences, etc.
rom: Greg Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:58 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Re: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
I hope you are doing well and staying safe. I think this is a very good idea, and a nice compromise for residents who have an issue with where to park their car in the winter months. It still makes sense to have the Snow Emergency Ordinance in place, when snow is predicted, but there are many days when it does not snow. Just my two cents. Keep up the good work!
From: Daniel Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 8:50 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Allowing cars to park on the street is less safe at night
From: Todd Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:10 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow Ordinance Comments
In response to Paul’s request, I do understand the need for the snow parking ordinance, but it would be helpful to either narrow the dates in accordance with a snow forecast OR have an understanding that although the ordinance is in effect, tickets will not be issued unless it snows. That places the burden on the homeowner to move their car and would relieve the Town of the need to issue a blanket statement regarding parking.
Allow the homeowner to bear the burden, that way between 12/1 and 3/15 if there is no snow in the forecast, we can leave our cars on the street.
From: Kelly Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:12 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Re: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
Yes! They should modify the parking. Especially in the Rex Ridge complex where you can only park on one side of the street every day, including weekends, for 3.5 months! It’s ridiculous and causes a lot of problems.
From: Maria Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:14 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Fwd: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
I think the snow ordinance should only be applied to when there’s snow anticipated. I agree with mr Feiner that some of us have small driveways and it’s really an inconvenience. I also suggest that to ensure people comply with removing their vehicles off the road when snow is anticipated they should be fined and towed. I believe it’s a fair trade off.
Thank you for finally considering this.
From: Fredric Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:21 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance
Dear Mr. Feiner,
In response to the question if the snow ordinance should be modified, my request is YES. A few years ago I was issued a summons during the snow ordinance period when there was no snow forecast. In addition, the temperature was nearly 40 degrees so any snow would not have accumulated and therefore not required plowing. I agree that cars should be moved when plows are removing snow but issuing summons when there is no snow is unfair. Greenburgh residents besides those who live on E Hartsdale Ave should be afforded the same leniency.
From: Caroline Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:22 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow removal
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.The exception the Town made for East Hartsdale Ave has not worked. It makes EHA extremely dangerous because it is a major east west thoroughfare.With covid issues and a lot of people working from home, especially in the apartments, is going to be a nightmare if we have a lot of snow this year.And I am sure it will be just as bad on the other streets in the town.Can you image what Columbia Ave will be like.We have had very little snow over the past couple of years. It has also been relatively mild. What happens if we have a lot of snow and a cold winter. It will be a nightmare with cars parked all over and unable or unwilling to dig them out and move them.This is not the year to do it.
From: PattiSent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:23 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
The ordinance should be modified to accommodate DPW for expected snowfall. I am a 5 car family with a 2 car driveway so we end up parking on the grass. I’m not convinced towing cars away is necessary though. I believe a fine will suffice and maybe tow a car after 2 or 3 unpaid tickets. DPW plowing a car into a space at the curb, which will undoubtedly force the owner to start digging out, is also a huge inconvenience.
This ordinance is an enormous inconvenience. For the amount of taxes Town of Greenburgh residents are forced to pay, we should be afforded options. There is no reason for off street parking if it does not snow. The ordinance is specifically in place for snowfall.
From: Linda Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:23 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow ordinance
Dear Mr. Feiner,Even though we are lucky to have enough parking for ourselves, we understand some of our neighbors aren’t as lucky, and support changing the ordinance to prohibit parking overnight on streets only when snow is expected to allow for ease of plowing.Thanks for asking. Also, thanks for your consideration of townspeople during early voting, asking for vendors/entertainment, separate line for elderly/infirm. You are very kind.Best regards,Linda
From: James firstname.lastname@example.org>Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:29 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Parking in Winter
I, for one, look forward for that brief period of time where I no longer have to face a gauntlet of vehicles weaving around. I live in a predominantly private home area. There is usually ample parking space for vehicles. I’m guessing it is more convenient to leave the car on the road rather then having to move it. I think the current arrangement works quite well. If for some reason, if someone needs to stay over night, a phone call to the greenburgh PD helps to make arrangements.
I can understand how others feel. This my opinion.
From: Katie Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:32 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Street parking suggestion
Good evening Mr. Feiner,
What a lovely idea - the modification to snow emergency street parking would be especially helpful to the residents of the co-op apartments like Rex Ridge and Hartsdale Apartments, where many folks need to park along Fieldstone Drive and Pinewood Road, due to limited lot sizes and assigned parking. This wasn't a problem when most people were going to work during the snow removal hours, so there was sufficient parking on both sides again by afternoon, but it may lead to an alternate side parking crunch during the day now that many work from home.
I'm going to work most days and am lucky enough to have a parking spot but the days I do work from home I see far more of my neighbors cars parked on the street than before the pandemic, and your thoughtfulness might relieve a little stress from their days as it gets colder. Many thanks for the consideration!
From: Rebecca Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:46 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: parking in winter
I do not think we should relax this ordinance. There are many houses that park in the street, not their driveways, all year long. We see gatherings with empty driveways and near impassible neighborhood roads all year long. Winter is the only respite.
From: Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 9:56 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Modified Snow Ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Good Evening Board Members,I think the lifting of the winter parking restriction on days snow is not predicted would be a good idea on a limited basis. Perhaps certain streets/neighborhoods with more limited parking opportunities could have the restriction lifted, however proper signage would have to be installed to ensure residents are well aware of the times where it is absolute necessary to have the cars off the road.Thanks for the opportunity to provide feedbackAnthony
From: BenedettaSent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:20 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Winter parking rules
How about a compromise. No parking during winter months on narrower streets or business districts, steep or curvy roads, but allow parking on wider streets or where homes have larger driveways.
Even if you threaten or actually tow away violators who park when snow is predicted, it will still cause delays in clearing of streets, so allowing some leeway in areas when there is less parking may allow the public works continue to do the good even great work they do and alleviate some of the parking woes experienced by some in the winter.
From: bSent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:21 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Parking Restrictions
Very good idea about lifting the parking restrictions for the Winter.
I would be absolutely in favor of lifting the restrictions for the rest of our Town.
What's good for one should be good for all.
Time's change, and we have to change with the time's!!!
From: Paul Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:29 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Parking
I'm troubled by the potential impacts of repealing this ordinance. When wintertime rolls around and it DOES snow, the streets are often narrowed by piles of snow lining the curbs. Also, streets can be icy. What happens when cars are parked along both sides of a street and vehicles need to zig zag their way through these obstacles ? If streets are clean and clear, it would be fine, but given my scenario, you're likely to create more problems. Plus.... those folks who have too many cars to fit in their driveways will wind up violating the snow ordinance when there actually is a storm because they have nowhere else to leave their cars. If you do this, at a minimum I would suggest mandating parking only on one side of the street, and doing actual enforcement of the code.
From: Abbas Sent: Wednesday, November 4, 2020 10:50 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Re: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
My view is we should allow overnight steet parking 12/1 - 3/15 when snow is not predicted.
From: Caroline Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 3:49 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Re: Snow removal
I don’t want any change in the current parking restrictions from December 1st to March 15th.
The parking on Columbia Ave all day and night is already a hardship on us during the year especially since all of it is from the apartments on East Hartsdale Ave.
From: Danielle Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:14 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Good morningThe snow ordinance has been extremely inconvenient to myself and family for many many years. We have a small driveway with multiple drivers and we sometimes have to stay up very late to ensure we are not parked on the street. We are a household that includes 4 essential workers all with very different work schedules and moving 3 cars to get your car out the driveway is extremely inconvenient. I hope we can modify this to only when snow is anticipated especially since some winters it does not snow at all.Thank youDanielle
From: Leandro Sent: Sunday, November 8, 2020 8:18 PMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
Good evening Mr. Feiner
I am writing to you to object against the removal of any snow ordinance. I own a home on Columbia Ave () and have constantly struggled with cars being left on the streets beyond three hours and sometimes for day ultimately leaving no choice but to call the Greenburgh Police. Also I have lived on this street for over 12 years and do not know any resident on Columbia, Jane, Lawton, Lakeside, Holland, etc. that have a driveway that’s too small to park more than one car. I understand that this was a reason that was presented and I have not witnessed that in my area. This year has been forecasted to be a bad snow year and having cars on the street on a two-way street that is already hard to navigate will create a bigger safety issue.
Hope this is not done. If the Town wants to create spots for residents of neighboring coops then you may want to think about creating some handicap spots in front of some buildings, for example 11 Columbia has none. Also maybe remove some meters since a lot of east hartsdale is residential and just enforce the three hour parking.
Lastly, while not relevant to this matter I attended a community meeting 3 years ago with the Greenburgh Police Commissioner and reported the hazards that exist on Lawton and Lakeview (especially between Columbia and Central Avenue). Cars should not be allowed to park on both sides of the street. I have come across numerous times when cars are parked on both sides of the street and and oncoming cars must navigate around the parked vehicles. The bigger issue is what if an ambulance or fire truck had to get through? This is a life safety issue.
I would make myself available to you or someone you designate to point out what I am talking about.
From: elizabeth Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 10:32 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: snow ordinance
I urge you to keep the snow ordinance in effect. I have seen the condition of the roads in Hastings after a snow storm. They have no snow ordinance and huge piles of snow are left all over the roads. Cars get snowed in and then dig themselves out by shoveling more snow onto the road. The streets in Greenburgh are always totally cleared by the plows. I don't think that the Town wants to be in the business of towing cars off the roads. Therefore, cars would be left there blocking the plows. I realize that it can be difficult for people with multiple cars to get them off the streets but I believe it is better for the entire Town if we keep this ordinance in effect.
From: tcicalo Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 1:33 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: changing law about not parking on snow removal route. sounds like recipe for trouble. "Will the weather reports that people here all be accurate and all the same?
From: Diane Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 1:45 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: proposed relaxation of winter parking ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.It has always been my view that public streets belong to the public, not the resident who lives on that street. Therefore, keeping the streets plowed and passable during snow is a legitimate and necessary town function, which residents cannot impede. If parking is restricted only when snow is forecast, compliance would be haphazard and inconsistent - what if the resident is not home when the notice is given? Or decides it’s too cold out to move his car, and he’ll take his chances (forecasts can be wrong)? What if the snow starts at 4AM? I wouldn’t want to go out and move my car at that hour.Secondly, if cars are illegally parked during the snow, they must be moved to clear the street. Who pays for that? I hope not my taxes. Does the fine for illegal parking cover the cost of the towing crew and equipment? And the plowing must be delayed until the cars are moved; this inconveniences all residents who need to get where they’re going.Only a clear parking ordinance that applies to everyone equally and does not either impose a tax burden nor depend on forecasts is fair to all residents. Keep the current ordinance as it is.
From: Ron Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 11:01 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Should town modify snow ordinance to allow vehicles to park on streets when snow is not predicted?
Good day to all,
I hope you all are healthy and well during this pandemic.
As a new resident of Greenburgh I would recommend that the town shall consider the adoption of a local law amending Chapter 460 of the Code of the Town of Greenburgh (1) to prohibit parking on the streets of Greenburgh from December 1 to March 15 between the hours of 12:00 a.m. to 7:00 a.m. only when a Snow Emergency is declared and (2) to provide for the towing of vehicles parked on the streets during a Snow Emergency.
I ask for some of these changes, because I have seen how some of my neighbors have multiple vehicles and how they have parked on the streets.
Extending the hours and towing vehicles allows everyone a chance to make the necessary arrangements and for the town to ensure the safety of the streets to be plowed.
Thank you for your time to read my comments.
From: Laurie Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 10:55 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Snow Ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Good morning Mr. Feiner. I wanted to let you know that we reside at 7 Bryant Street in Poet’s Corner and are in favor of changing the snow ordinance.Thank youLaurie
From: Matt Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 11:34 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Winter Parking
First I want to thank you for opening this discussion up to the public, as I feel it is a topic that I would love to share my input on, and I know many others feel the same way.
I think the terms parking ordinance should be changed to it only being necessary to park off of the street when snow is predicted in the forecast. I have always complied with this rule, never breaking it and always making sure I had my vehicle off the street as well as the rest of the cars in my house.
The rule was never an issue for me or my family, just a small inconvenience that we dealt with, but I had a major issue with this rule last winter, when six of my neighbors in Poets Corner and myself got parking tickets for parking on the sidewalk/grass next to the street in front of our homes. We all followed the rule of making sure we were off the street, as we always do as a neighborhood, but we were ticketed. The way our properties are laid out, we have driveways and garages that fit some of our cars, but not all, resulting in us always having cars in the street during the other nine months of the year. When we were ticketed for this, I could not believe it, because I had nowhere else to park other than the sidewalk, which I thought was accepted because of the rule in place. I own a truck, and it is not an issue for me getting onto and off of the sidewalk in front of my home. My younger brother is in the process of getting his drivers license and is looking to get a small car, which will be very difficult to get up over the curb and onto the sidewalk. Every car I have looked at to buy for him, we continue to ask ourselves "Where are we going to put it during the winter?" It also ruins the grass over the course of the winter, since it is always wet from snow or rain, the cars sink into the ground and make it uneven.
I also have many younger friends in Greenburgh who are looking to get their first car, but have the same issue, except unlike my house, they do not have a single place to park it. They have three cars for three drivers with one car in a garage and two cars barely fitting together in their narrow driveway, with no sidewalk parking available, making it impossible for them to purchase a fourth vehicle.
While I think it would be a great idea to change the rule, I can see where you and the rest of the town would see an issue in doing this. With the rule that is now in place, cars are never on the street and this means that there is no chance for any problem for a plow passing through the streets. If the rule was changed, I could definitely see the possibility of people taking advantage of the rule and either not taking their cars off the street when snow is predicted in the forecast, or just not being aware of the forecast. I have a few suggestions that may help overcome this:
Again, I thank you for opening this up to the public, and I hope you take my email into strong consideration. I would also be willing to help in any way you need in order to make the potential rule change run more smoothly including helping putting up signs announcing a change, making a Facebook group, or anything else needed.
From: ashley Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 10:42 AMTo: Paul FeinerSubject: Parking
I received the mail concerning the snow ordinance and I just wanted to give my own family and neighbor's perspectives. I believe it would be extremely beneficial to only ask that cars not be on the street when there is snow predicted for the next day. The reality is that it only snowed a few times last year. But yet we were unable to park on the street even during the days without snow and that is a huge inconvenience for many families. Especially with corona virus leading to more students being at home, that means there are more cars at home as well. The majority of us have small driveways. When we leave in the morning for work or school during the winter season it is a constant difficulty to try to shift around our cars. This season especially my family is concerned because we have more cars then we have parking for if we are unable to park on the street and there is no nearby parking. Typically our whole street is lined with cars because it benefits those who are going to work and we have many college students currently at home. I would suggest either a mass email, mass text, or voicemail be sent out the day prior to predicted snow days. On the days it is not snowing, people should be allowed to park their car on the street as they normally would. To have cars not be on the street between December to March due to a few snow days is a large inconvenience for a rare occurence of snow. This snow ordinance being in place shows a lack of awareness of the needs of the people living in this town because it truly is an inconvenience for many families.
From: Elizabeth Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 11:36 PMTo: Paul Feiner; Subject: Parking on Columbia Avenue
It has come to our attention that you are considering a change to the parking on Columbia Avenue to allow anyone to park on the street during the December to March months. We are very opposed to this and allowing 'special circumstances" to park on our street. Parking is already an issue on our street. We are at 84 and people are constantly parking so close to our driveway and sometimes even block a small part of it. I want less parking from the apartments down the road rather than less. Is there a meeting on Tuesday to address this? Is it virtual and at what time?
From: Diana Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 8:42 AMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow ordinance
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Good MorningI wanted to write you about the snow ordinance. I live on North High Street in Elmsford. We are all Essential workers and work Various hours My husband is a Paramedic, I’m a Registered Nurse as well is My daughter and my son in-law works for the post office we have a lot of cars and parking in the driveway and we all leave at different hours can be challenging at times it would be very much appreciated if we can park on the street when snow is not present during the winter?Thank youDiana
From: AlishyaSent: Monday, November 9, 2020 3:58 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Snow Ordinance
To whom it may concern,
I hope this email finds you well. My name is Alishya Thomas, I am a resident of Greenburgh. I am emailing you in regard to the town's snow ordinance. During this pandemic, more individuals are staying at home, especially individuals who would typically be away at college. As such, the amount of cars on the street have increased out of necessity and not convenience. In my opinion, I believe multiple residents would benefit from a modification to the current snow ordinance and should only have to remove their cars from the street during anticipated storms.
From: Jean Sent: Monday, November 9, 2020 5:21 PMTo: Town BoardSubject: Winter Parking
EXTERNAL: Do not click links or open attachments if you do not recognize the sender.Dear Town Board Members- I hope that you do not change the winter parking rules. I live at the top of a hill on a curve & our road is often slippery even when there is no snow. Our neighbors often park numerous cars in the street for weeks. Their driveway is very long & they have plenty of room to park there. The cars in the street create a dangerous situation that is much worse when there is ice. Please do not change the winter parking rules. Jean