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Posted on: July 11, 2020

[ARCHIVED] 667 responses to survey about Mario Cuomo bridge shared bike/walking path summarized below

667 people responded to the survey I conducted about the shared bikeway/walkway on the Mario Cuomo bridge. written comments highlighting experiences. I deleted names/e mail addresses from written comment. Safety concerns highlighted- path too narrow.


As of Thursday 667 people responded to the survey monkey questionnaire about the shared bikeway/walkway on the Mario Cuomo bridge.

Almost 72% of the people who responded have used the walkway. Bicyclist only  -37.08%; pedestrian only-42.50%.  Both bicyclist and pedestrians: 20.42%.

We asked  those responding to the survey if they witnessed accidents  or other unpleasant interactions between bicyclists and pedestrians  and 40.42% said yes. 59.58% said no.  We asked users if they would favor separate use times during part of each day  for bicyclists only  and pedestrians only (for example two hour time slots in the AM and two hour time slots in the PM) and 34.86% said yes. 65.14% said no.  Many people who contacted me by phone or in writing suggested that the Thruway Authority should widen the path or create a separate path on the other side of the bridge.   12.37% of those who responded saw service dogs on the walkway.  In addition, many people sent me e mails about their experiences cycling or walking on the Mario Cuomo shared bikeway/path.

Most people who sent me written comments highlighting their experiences on the bridge mentioned that the shared path needs to be widened and is too narrow. Some people highlighted their concerns - pedestrians or cyclists not staying in their lanes. WCBS TV interviewed a cyclist who was injured on the path -requiring surgery (link below). 

Another concern from writers: many cyclists/pedestrians not wearing masks on the shared path. Should NYS require all cyclists/pedestrians who use the path to wear masks?

I deleted names and e mail addresses from those who wrote to me. I continue to believe that the NYS Thruway Authority should take action steps to make the path safer -and would support a wider shared path or a second  path on the other side of the bridge.  We have already experienced some accidents. And unless something is done there will be others.

PAUL FEINER

Greenburgh Town Supervisor



From: Rita
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 4:22 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Path over bridge

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The issue is not more rules. Nobody is following existing rules. Most people are not wearing masks and the bicyclists believe they own the entire  path.. Everyone needs to be responsible for their actions.

From: Claudette
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:39 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Cuomo bridge path survey

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Mr Feiner -
I took the survey but missed the chance for comments. I biked over the bridge yesterday and it was beautiful, but I agree a bit jammed. I don’t think the lane is wide enough for bikes in each direction and pedestrians.

If it’s not possible to widen the current path,
Is it possible to create a “no frills” lane on the south side of the bridge - and then either have each side be one direction? Or a walking side and a biking side? Or a fast side and a slower side?

Thank you!
Hastings on Hudson

From: tw1

Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:18 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Cuomo Bridge pathway

 

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Hi, Paul.  I did the survey.  I also think the state should consider widen it or marking off some of the really wide shoulder on the roadway as bike lanes.  Now, as I biker, I’d rather have a barrier between me and vehicles going at highway speeds, but as I pedestrian, I’d rather not have two-way bike traffic in or on the edge of the path I’m walking. 

 

I just road it back and forth on the first day -- and it’s great -- but I’m really afraid somebody’s going to get hurt. 

 

Thanks for moving the conversation forward. 

 

Best,

Irvington

From: Tamar
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 12:13 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Bridge path

 

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Dear Paul Feiner,

 

Thanks for inviting input. Took the survey but didn’t see a place to recommend widening the path, which I think is best option by far. There are many times that the path isn’t crowded, so prefer that people figure this out without dedicated times for walkers vs cyclers. 

 

Thanks,

From: Nancy
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:30 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Cuomo bridge - pedestrian/bicycle question

 

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I support the view of widening the space to allow for a separation. Managing the alternating schedule will be a huge, difficult job and when non-locals or tourists arrive it could be very dicey and inconvenient.

Sent from my Etch a Sketch

From: MARIA
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:30 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Bridge Walkway

 

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Hello Mr Feiner

I used the bridge walkway as a pedestrian only twice.

What i saw more detrimental than the bicycles weaving in/out of pedestrian walkway to avoid hitting pedestrians in the bike lane were families with double strollers, and many children (age 4 to 10) with scooters.

Opinion if you ban scooters and strollers it will alleviate so many of the near miss accidents I saw.

Other observation the workers at each stop were on their phones, masks down around their noses and very disinterested in dispensing any type of direction for the unaware.

Thank you.
Tarrytown Resident

From: Rob
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 10:58 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject:

 

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Hi Paul,

Always following your posts and really appreciate you keeping us up to date on many things.

I just said this to my wife.

It should just be riding or walking at one time.

Was thinking every other day.

It is conjested and it’s an accident waiting to happen.

I think it will eventually get more crowded.

Thx

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From: Daniel
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:25 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Re: speak to you Friday and info on a questionnaire

 

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Paul:

Oh, before I forget, circling back to my request in one of last week’s
emails, do you have an "in" in Nita Lowey’s office?  (To ask them to put
earmarks in her last appropriations bill for the Routes 9 & 119
projects.)

While most people are using the TZB as a recreational facility, this is a
transportation facility.  It can’t be closed down to people cycling like
that.

Let alone, logistically, that doesn’t really work.  It takes a long time
for people to walk on and off the bridge.  So folks walking would feel
cheated.  And the extensive walk off time would lead to overlapping
users anyway.  And in htat overlap any testosterone addled cyclists
would feel even more entitled to be aggressive because it’s "bike time."

The fact that so many people are using it indicates people want MORE. :)
So we need to push the Governor to give the people what they want.

The path needs to be expanded by building another jersey barrier wall on
the existing roadway deck.  Use that new space for fast cycling.  Leave
the existing path space for walking and slow/kids cycling.

I approached George Paschalas and Khurram Saeed with the idea of Bike
Tarrytown making a video educating people how to ride safely /
courteously in the space.  We could do that for $2,000.

See you,


From: David
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:46 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Mario Cuomo Bridge Pedestrian Walkway

 

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Hi Paul, 

 

I walked the bridge this past weekend with my wife, 9-year-old, and some friends. 

 

Observations: 

 

1) Large constituency of non-mask wearers.

 

2) SUPER aggressive bicyclists who were incredibly rude and VERY dangerous. 

 

Best, 

Sent from my mobile device, where typos go to breed.

From: Larry
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 7:02 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Cuomo Walkway

 

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I’ve been on the path four times now.  I followed the debate on the 10533 Facebook page. My feeling is that one disgruntled “walker“ who started this is not cause for changing the times that people who walk versus bike can use the path. I agree that the design is flawed because the path is too narrow. But the funny thing is it’s really the walkers who walk three or four abreast and not the bikers (except for a few kids) who are the issue.
What does disturb me is the “must wear a mask“ rule is not followed or enforced. I understand that people feel like in the windy conditions on the bridge a mask should not be required, but that’s not what the signs say and at the moment at least, it’s not the best practice not to wear one. Anyway, that’s my two cents. Don’t over regulate this with separate times etc. There’s so many places to walk and so few to bike.
By the way, the S. County TrailWay next to the sawmill from 119 S. to at least Lawrence Street is in atrocious condition. It’s so bumpy that even on a hybrid bike my wrists frequently get jammed. We need funding to fix it just like up in Tarrytown to Millwood, where it was repaved last year.
Thanks for your attention to this.

Irvington

From: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 6:46 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Re: Separate times for bikes

 

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Yes, separate times for bikes 

 

Sent from my Verizon LG Smartphone

From: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 4:24 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Separate times for bikes

From: Mara
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 9:27 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Bridge walkway

 

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Hi Paul,

I was hoping the survey would ask for comments but it didn’t so I am writing to you. The walkway is amazing. I think people will come from all over to use it. I think it is obvious we need two lanes for recreation. One lane should be for pedestrians and another lane for bicyclists with the line down the middle for each direction. Besides social distancing issues, it is already very crowded and not everyone has heard about it. During rush hour they used to move the lanes, I wish they could add an extra lane to the path on weekends. I wonder if there are any plans for the other side of the bridge to have a walkway. I hope the engineers and planners knew how popular this walkway would be. Thanks for listening. 

Best,

P.S. The parking lot was a nightmare on Sunday morning. The exit had cones blocking, made no sense.          

From: 
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 11:39 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: cuomo bridge survey

 

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HELLO PAUL,

MISINFORMATION IN THE JOURNAL NEWS RE THE NEW BRIDGE PATH.

FOOD TRUCKS--CLOSED DOWN WHEN MY FRIEND AND I STARTED OUR WALK AT 9 A.M. MON 6/22 AT TARRYTOWN.  THE FOOD KIOSK WAS CLOSED ON THE TARRYTOWN SIDE WHEN WE BEGAN OUR WALK AND THERE ARE NO FOOD OPTIONS ALONG THE WAY FOR HUNGRY BIKERS/WALKERS, WHICH THE ARTICLE STATED THERE WERE.    

WHEN WE REACHED NYACK, THERE WERE NO FOOD STATIONS AROUND.  WE ASKED.   THE ANSWER:  WHENEVER THEY GET HERE; THERE ISN’T ANY SCHEDULE.  FINALLY A TRUCK DID SHOW UP AN HOUR AND A HALF LATER AND ONLY OFFERED ICE TEA, ICE COFFEE AND NUTRITION BARS.

THERE IS A SHUTTLE BUS BUT NOT MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE, HOWEVER, IT WAS NOT RUNNING THE DAY WE WERE THERE, OR FOR THE ENTIRE WEEK FOR THAT MATTER, WHICH WE FOUND OUT WHEN WE REACHED THE NYACK LANDING.  A MAINTENANCE WORKER TOLD US TO MAKE SURE WE KNEW WHERE THE BUS WAS GOING BECAUSE A PERSON THE PREVIOUS WEEK ENDED UP AT THE PALISADE CENTER MALL WHEN SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS RETURNING TO TARRYTOWN.

SINCE IT WAS 90 DEGREES WITH HIGH HUMIDITY, WE CALLED MY DAUGHTER TO GIVE US A RIDE BACK.
MY DAUGHTER SAID THERE WAS ONLY ONE BROWN SIGN POSTED COMING OFF THE BRIDGE BUT WAS NOT IN FULL VIEW DUE TO A BUS IN FRONT OF HER BLOCKING IT.  SHE ENDED UP IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND DROVE AROUND LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO ASK DIRECTIONS ON HOW TO GET TO THE NYACK BRIDGE PARKING LOT.  FINALLY AFTER 20 MINUTES SHE FOUND SOMEONE WHO  OFFERED TO DRIVE HER OWN CAR AND LEAD MY DAUGHTER TO THE LOT.  THERE ARE A LOT OF LOOPS/TURNS  AND IT’S VERY CONFUSING.  SIGNS ARE NEEDED!
 
THE PATH FOR BIKING/WALKING IS NARROW AND CAUTION MUST BE TAKEN.  I WAS ALMOST "CLIPPED" BY A BIKER FROM BEHIND WHILE I WAS IN THE WALKING LANE.

ALL IN ALL, IT WAS AN INTERESTING/FUN EXPERIENCE AND THE VIEWS ARE MAGNIFICENT.  WILL DO IT AGAIN WHEN THE WEATHER IS NOT TOO HOT AND HUMID SINCE WE WOULD LIKE TO WALK THE BRIDGE ROUND TRIP.

From: Mary
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 8:13 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Bridge Pedestrian/Bike Path

 

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Mr. Feiner,

I write to express, first, my disappointment in how little space/width NYS has planned and built for pedestrians and bicyclists on the new path over the TZB.  In a society where better livability means more means for people to use outdoor spaces for recreation and TRANSPORTATION, it is shameful to see such a meager amount of room on bridge allocated to non-vehicle traffic.

When you bike on the (very crowded) bridge, you HAVE to slow down when you confront an oncoming bike, because it feels unsafe otherwise.  There is only just enough room for two bicycles to fit across, and no room for error if one bike veers slightly right or left.  It is dangerous, especially given how many pedestrians are on the path at any given time.

 

Second, pedestrians often feel free to cross into the bike lane for walking.  This is DANGEROUS!  There needs to be a barrier between the bike lane and the pedestrian lane.  I have seen a proposed change, by the Bike Tarrytown organization, for an improved path that incorporates improvements to address the two problems I’ve just mentioned. 

 

It’s simple.  NYS needs to 1) allocate more space overall to the bike/ped path, and 2) create a barrier between the bike and ped. paths.  It can be done. The space is available to increase the overall width of the path.  It is wonderful to see proof of the need and desire for more open space for bicyclists and pedestrians.  The demand for ped/bike pathways is no surprise, and should be taken seriously.  This is a quality of life issue.  The opportunity to cross the bridge on foot or bike is important, and must be made safe for people.  It is such a shame that NYS did not anticipate these problems, or perhaps they DID anticipate them, but disregarded their importance.  Disregarded their constituents.  Disregarded the quality of life we deserve and pay taxes to enjoy.

 

Finally, I am adamantly OPPOSED to any plan that instructs certain hours of the day, or days of the week for "bike only" or "pedestrian only" traffic.  Just as for motor vehicles, the bridge is a transportation pathway for cyclists and pedestrians.  People have appointments to get to and use the bridge as roadway to get to their destinations, whether work obligation, or other personal or recreational appointments.  Dividing the hours for use between pedestrians and cyclists is totally unfeasible.  NYS needs to correct the problem they created the right way--by expanding the width of the path to increase the size of the bike lane, and create a barrier between the bike and pedestrian lanes.

Irvington

From: 
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 7:36 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Mario Cuomo Bridge Bike Path

 

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Greetings Mr Paul Feiner,

 

Thank you very much for bringing attention to issues with the width of the new bridge bike path.  I biked across the bridge with a friend a few days after it opened and we agreed the path is too narrow for bikes to safely pass while going in opposite directions, or even the same direction.  This was especially true when groups of riders passed.  I’m in favor of an alternate day plan, so that only pedestrians and runners would be allowed on even numbered days, and only bikers would be allowed on odd numbered days.  This would eliminate the issue of getting stranded on the wrong side which could happen with time of day limits.  

 

On a different subject, we also rode on the North County bike trail recently and the smooth pavement was in stark contrast to the very bumpy conditions on the South County trail.  Is there a plan to repave the South County trail?   

 

Thanks again for all you do to improve conditions for bikers in Westchester.  Best wishes for a good summer.

 

Hastings-on-Hudson

From: Bike
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 1:42 AM
To: Bike Tarrytown
Subject: tzb survey, how to widen the path

 

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Sink This Bad Idea. Take the Survey.
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Some folks are floating the idea that the Gov. Mario M. Cuomo Tappan Zee
Bridge’s path should have separate times for walking and biking. This
doesn’t hold water.

The bridge is a transportation facility. People need to get where
they’re going when they have to get there. Closing the path to cycling
would eliminate the ability to travel in this responsible, affordable
manner.

Limiting hours would also mean pedestrians couldn’t take full advantage
of the path. It takes 80 minutes to walk across the bridge and another
80 to walk back.

And the extensive walk off time means people walking and cycling would
overlap anyway. During those overlaps, any cyclists who are addled by
testosterone could feel entitled to be aggressive because it’s "bike
time."

TAKE THE SURVEY: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/LL6JR8K
Give the People What They Want!
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Throngs of people using the path indicates that people want MORE. So, we
need to push the Governor to give the people what they want.

Properly trained engineers would have built a much wider path in the
first place. But there’s no time like the present. The path can be
expanded by building another jersey barrier wall on the existing roadway
deck. Use that new space for fast cycling. Leave the existing path for
walking and slow cycling.

As you can imagine, the Thruway Authority will dismiss calls to give up
any of their precious road space. But it IS doable. Heck, there’s 79
feet of space on the road deck! It can be allocated in many ways.

Here’s one way it all fits:
https://biketarrytown.org/img/tappan-zee-bridge-north-span-combined.png

From: 
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 5:58 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Mario Cuomo walkway

 

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Hi Paul,  

I definitely am in favor if separating bikers and walkers with a barrier as a safety measure. The point of going over the bridge is to enjoy the experience but we have to look over our shoulder and hope a stray cyclist doesn’t come into the walking lane. Maybe put them on opposite sides of the bridge ( they can still go in either direction) so walkers only chance interacting with walkers and the same for bikers. 

Thank you.

Betsy

  • Jason  They need much better and obvious lanes for each use in each direction. On the ground and above. A walker is going to get smoked by a      cyclist any minute, especially as usage increases.

    It’s a wonderful thing to have but there will be injuries due to walkers stepping into the cycling lanes without looking.

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Jason  Hey Paul Feiner, the lack of drainage is going to get someone hurt. Down to three “lanes” in some spots. With two going to bikes, some walker will get plowed by a cyclist. Not if. When. Might want to mention this to your colleagues.

From: SEYMOUR
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 1:38 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Cuomo Bridge Path

 

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Just got back from going to Rockland side and back. Lots of people but manageable.
Lots of bikers with no masks. Not good.
Most walkers had masks but not all. Looked like Trumpers trying to make a statement by being maskless. Sad situation.

Beautiful resource. Everyone should check it out.

From: Dana
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2020 12:37 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Separate Times For Cyclists

 

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Dear Paul,

 

I read the poll in the Daily Voice, and I support Separate Times For Cyclists and Pedestrians so everyone can enjoy the bridge safely. It would also be fun to have family time block one Sunday a month for children’s bikes and strollers to roam freely in both lanes. 

 

Resident of Tarrytown NY

From: Shari
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 11:54 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: M. Cuomo Bridge walkway

 

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Good morning Paul.

 

My husband and I have walked the bridge the past two weekends at different times. The path is a wonderful addition to outdoor exercising, but it’s much too narrow for walkers and bicyclists, especially when they don’t adhere to the 15mph speed limit. This past Saturday was quite crowded because of the holiday. We observed a family of four with young kids that couldn’t ride very well and an advanced group of riders were behind them. The advanced group slowed down, but crossed over into the walking lane and could have easily injured walkers who were not paying attention. Is there any chance an additional lane will be added to provide more space?

From: Karen
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 2:40 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Mario Cuomo bridge

 

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Hi Mr. Feiner, I  rode my bike over the bridge for the first time yesterday  with a friend.  We had a wonderful  time however I do  think the path is too  narrow to safely accommodate bikers and pedestrians.  Is there not a way to create a similar path on the South side of the bridge?  The North side could always be for  cyclists and the  South side for  pedestrians.   Or  at the ver least have this type of arrangement on weekends using the moveable lane dividers as we had on the old bridge?  I have heard the recent suggestion that the current path be widened by 2’ and while I think that may help a bit, I don’t think it would  be enough to add valued safety.  

I think the 2 alternating 2 hour  rule is a problem in  that I’m sure the towns on both sides of the river would like to encourage people to spend some time, having lunch, coffee, light shopping as we did yesterday and with the proposed 2 hour suggestion, people may  be left stranded on one side, not able to return.  It would be hard to enforce  folks who just needed to get back across and I worry  some cyclists would be tempted to drive with traffic in the car lanes.  

Thank you for taking the time to read my email.

Please let me know if you have any comments.

Best,

Karen

From: d
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 10:37 AM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Bridge survey

 

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Dear Mr Feiner,

 

I received your survey about the bridge and the new bike/pedestrian pathway.  My sister has been walking on the path several mornings , so I passed it on to her to respond.  However, she said that there really was not a place to have separate remarks on the survey.  

 

Since day 1, she has made the comment that the path was not big enough for both pedestrians and bicyclists at the same time.  It was an accident waiting to happen.  

 

Therefore,  I am forwarding her suggestion to you since I thought it was a real solution to the problem.  Have specific days (not hours) assigned to each group.  

 

Saturday.       Bicyclists 

Sunday.          Pedestrians 

Monday.         Bicyclists 

Tuesday.         Pedestrians 

Wednesday.   Bicyclists 

Thursday.       Pedestrians 

Friday.             ????

 

This way there is safety for each group.  Also, each group has 1 day out of the weekend.  Signs can be put up with specific days.  Fridays can be designated at a later date after you see which group uses the path more.  No worrying about the time of day.

 

When my sister (who is 77 years old) came up with this, I thought it was terrific.  Anyway, just trying to think "outside the box" and wanted to pass on her suggestion. 

 

Have a great day.

 

Lenore 

From: elisabeth
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 5:55 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Re: survey

 

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Thank you for your response. 

 

In order of preference:

 

1. Ideally, there should be two paths—one for bicyclists (e.g., on the north) and one for pedestrians (e.g., on the south side of the bridge). Everyone I know assumed that this would be the case.

 

2. If there absolutely can’t be two paths, then the one path should be much wider—at least double—to allow east- and westbound lanes for bicyclists and the same for pedestrians. BTW, a barrier between the two is not desirable—it will restrict movement and cause more accidents.

 

3. Specific times during the day won’t work . . . what about people who want to use the bridge to go to work . . . and what about people who wand to hang out in Nyack or Tarrytown and would miss their window. It would take all the fun and relaxation away from the path. It might work if, say, Saturday is for cyclists and SU is for pedestrians. But that still leaves the odd number of weekdays and won’t be effective for people who want to use the bridge to go to work. 

 

We should do everything possible to create two separate paths for bikes and pedestrians. Only by separating them will the bridge path be the relaxing and exciting attraction that most people envisioned. And BTW, we are in Westchester—it’s a mistake to compare this bridge with the GW and it’s narrow and crammed mixed path. This bridge is  newer and Westchester stands for more space, more relaxation, more freedom. Let’s try to get this right and create two paths.

 

Best,

Elisabeth.

Tarrytown

From: STUART
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 9:01 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Bridge path

 

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12’ ridiculous! DANGEROUS! Must widen or forced to mandate hours.
Terrible planning.
Paul, I am a bike rider. Will wait until safe!
Stuart
Irvington

From: Chris
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 5:06 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Shared Bike / Pedestrian Path on New Tappanzee Bridge

 

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Paul,

 

I received your letter dated July 1 and as someone who both cycles and runs a lot I wanted to share my thoughts on the shared bike/pedestrian path.

 

Separate Use Times:  I don’t think this is practical.  I think one of the great benefits for local businesses is the ease or travel  that people on both sides of the river will benefit from.  I have already cycled over to Nyack for breakfast on weekend.  It would be a real pain if I missed my time slot to return.  I would have no other way of getting back except to wait for the bridge to reopen for cyclists.  The same applies for walkers who might be enjoying a stroll around the Rockefeller estate followed by a drink in Tarrytown and made a mistake with their timing.  On a personal level, if I had to take this into account when going for a ride or a walk, it would significantly reduce my use of the bridge.

 

Barriers between pedestrian and cyclists: I think this is a good idea.  I used to live in Brooklyn Heights and it was a nightmare trying to cycle over Brooklyn bridge (aside from early morning, I would always take the Manhattan Bridge as the bike / pedestrian lanes were on different sides).  BK bridge was packed with tourists who kept stepping into the bike lane, without looking, to take photos.  As a runner, I often found myself briefly (after looking!) running in the bike lane in order to get around groups of people who had stopped.  It was very dangerous for cyclists (and unaware pedestrians), a friend of mine was knocked off his bike by a tourist stepping out to take a photo and broke his knee cap.  Even if it’s not a ‘hard’ barrier, it would draw people’s attention and make the bridge safer.

 

I hope you find this helpful.

From: peter
Sent: Monday, July 6, 2020 3:41 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: TZ Bridge Pathway

 

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Dear Paul,

 

As much as I appreciate the time and effort that went into providing the bike/pedestrian pathway for the bridge, the design leaves much to be desired.

Most notably is the narrow lanes allotted for two way traffic for both walkers and bikers.  

 

I biked the bridge fairly early in the morning, when it was still relatively uncrowded, and still found it a harrowing experience. There were groups walking three and four abreast that made passage for other walkers and bikers difficult.  There were families allowing young children to wander off on their own; completely oblivious to bike traffic.  There were bikers riding two abreast making passing uncomfortable in a narrow space. 

 

I completed your limiting survey and reluctantly clicked yes for separate times for bikers and walkers.  But my first choice would be, if possible, to install separate lanes on the south side of the bridge. That would allow for either all westbound traffic on one side and all eastbound traffic on the other, or, all bikers on one side and all walkers on the other. I understand that the latter solution would require crossing over for the return trip; but that hardly seems insurmountable.

 

My second choice, if possible, would be to widen the currently available lanes to safely accommodate the bike and walking traffic.

 

Only as a last resort would I choose to limit hours of use for bikers and walkers.  Enforcement would be difficult and a burden on the rangers and no matter what hours you assign to each group, many will feel shortchanged.

 

I hope this helps to reach an equitable solution.  

 

Peter

From: b
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 3:31 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Mario Cuomo Bridge

 

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Hi Paul,

My sister and I walked over and back on the bridge yesterday and I wanted to give you some additional feedback.

1. We counted at least 30 people not wearing masks!!!

There were walkers in groups who were not all wearing them and some groups had no one wearing a mask-it’s ok if they assume they are all safe(family, friends) but not ok to assume they don’t need to be responsible toward others who don’t know that group’s exposure level(walking amongst strangers on the bridge certainly increases everyone’s exposure). I didn’t appreciate a runner spewing his sweat and saliva as he ran past because it’s too hard to run with a mask!!! Pictures of some people attached.

2.There are many signs that say "Face coverings required"- but there are also signs on the Nyack side that say "Please wear a face covering when social distancing isn’t possible"--THOSE ARE MIXED MESSAGES! Pictures attached.

We complained to the "security" man on the Nyack side who seemed not at all interested in telling people to wear masks until we demanded that he call a supervisor(I offered to do it to voice my complaint) and we asked that someone patrol the bridge to tell people to wear masks!!!

There should be a flag at the entrances (OR START on the ground) where people enter and need to be wearing masks and a supervised checkpoint along the way to be sure masks are worn.

3.The biker and walking lanes are too close together to maneuver safely when there are groups together. The bikers go very fast and sometimes the walkers need to use those lanes to pass slower walkers. It is especially difficult to get in front of slower walkers and families when there are groups coming from the other direction.

There should be emergency phone numbers along the walls (and some advertising or pretty art by local artists) as the phones are far apart in case of a sudden emergency. We could dial 911 but there are not mile markers to indicate where the situation is on the bridge.

4.When exiting on the Nyack side, there is a sign before the end of the blue path that shows which direction for Nyack or Piermont. We didn’t know if we should exit there to go into the town of Nyack and how far it would be to either town as a consideration to visiting them. The point of having a pathway beyond exercising is for people to go into the towns and visit restaurants and shops and provide income to the towns. Once we arrived at the Nyack side, there were still no directions or miles indicated in case we wanted to visit the town(we were hoping to walk around and have lunch.) I THOUGHT THE MEDIA AND ALL ADVERTISING SAID THERE WOULD BE FOOD VENDORS AS THAT WAS TO BE PART OF OUR OVERALL EXPERIENCE. FAMILIES WALKING IN THE HEAT YESTERDAY COULD HAVE BOUGHT FOOD AND BEVERAGES. THERE WAS ONLY ONE TRUCK ON THE TARRYTOWN SIDE.

5.One man wanted to take pictures or was having trouble with his bicycle and blocked the walking lane. If there were monitors they could have helped him so he didn’t inconvenience the walkers.

Overall, it was fun to walk the distance of the bridge as an experience, but it wasn’t the total experience we hoped to have.

We don’t walk on the Bronx River Parkway or it’s paths because inspite of the signs, many people are not wearing masks and they are certainly not 6 feet apart. How are we to help prevent the spread of the virus if people are not abiding by the signs to wear masks? There police on the BRP don’t enforce it there either.

Thank you for passing on these concerns. Mask it or casket- I should be safe on government property.

Betsy

From: Nicole
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 5:06 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Cc: Nicole

Subject: Hazards related to the New "WALKWAY" -Shared Bike/Pedestrian Pathway

 

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To Town Supervisor Paul Feiner,

 

I am writing to express my concerns related to the dangers related to the New "Walkway" that goes from Tarrytown to Rockland.

 

In the first week of the opening of said Walkway, I did the entire 3.6 mile walk with a friend.. and back. While walking, we both experienced many hits to our elbows and arms from pedestrians and especially from BYCLISTS. Also, we almost lost our arms ...no exaggeration...from occasionally flapping/lifting them to adjust our headgear and sunglasses or to raise our bottles of water. I shudder to think what could have happened if either or both of us had gotten a tad closer to a bicyclist. 

 

While we were both diligent in keeping an eye out for bicyclists in both directions, there were many times when one would speed right past us from behind....and without any verbal warning!!! We both found it annoying and tirin  to have to repeatedly turn our heads around to avert an irresponsible bicyclist from hitting or running into us.

 

In closing, I would like to make 3 suggestions:

1 - Consideration should be given to CONSTRUCTING ANOTHER LANE so as to allow people to have a separate lane for walking to Rockland and a separate lane for people walking from Rockland. 

 

2 - Because the noise level from the traffic is ever so present during one’s walk/ride, why not place those tall clear plastic shields/barriers - that which appear (only) intermittently - throughout the Walkway? In doing so, it would make way for a much more pleasant, quieter and enjoyable walk as well as cut down on the air pollution and carbon footprint/fumes that walkers and bicyclists are being exposed to.

 

3 -  Lastly and VERY IMPORTANTLY, I strongly advise that a porta potty be placed at the midway point of the Walkway. To only have one at each end of the Walkway is not convenient; it makes one hesitant to drink any amount of water-or beverage of any kind-in fear of needing to "relieve" oneself. 

 

I sincerely hope that a timely remedy will be put into place related to the aforementioned concerns and dangers as there is a strong potential for a very serious if not fatal accident to occur should the Walkway remain as is!!!

 

Thank you for your consideration in this matter,

Nicole

From: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 7:06 AM
To: Paul Feiner; bkbach@optonline.net
Subject: Re: Mario Cuomo Bridge

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Another thought- cameras along the bridge would alert security to those people not wearing masks or if someone needs assistance.  Can use a loud speaker to remind people or shout out to specific  people. 

From: Heidi
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 6:41 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Pathway over the Mario Cuomo Bridge

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Hi,

I recently completed the survey concerning the use of the pathway over the bridge.  In my opinion there needs to be better education of the public as to what it is and what it isn’t.  When I biked across the bridge on the first day it was open I was forced into the barrier by a young boy that was swerving in the bike lane and then stopped, blocking the whole lane. I had just started off from the Rockland side and was not going fast.  The boy’s mother was walking behind him...also in the bike lane. This same family ( 5 in total ) was totally stopped and resting in the MIDDLE of the bike lane...blocking the entire width on my way to the Rockland side. The path is not a playground for young children. In my opinion children under 12 should not be allowed to bike across the bridge.  They can not bike in a straight line and also stop frequently. If parents want to walk with them that would be fine.  Pedestrians also need to be more courteous of each other. I saw many groups of people that walked three abreast in the path and would not move for the people coming in the other direction...forcing them into the bike path..  People should understand that they need to proceed in single file while passing...same for the bikers. I have biked on the North County trailway for many years and bikers, rollerbladers, walkers and families all manage to coexist out there.

I watched the piece on CBS news this evening and was amazed at the lack of face coverings on the path goers. They now have found that particles can travel close to 30 feet...masks should be mandatory out on the path !!  People need to understand that it is not about them, it is about EVERYONE! Posting specific hours for bikers and pedestrians is not the answer...especially for those that will be using the bridge to commute. Education is the answer. Parents should also know that it is not the safest place for small children. 

Thanks for listening.

Heidi

From: Jack
Sent: Tuesday, July 7, 2020 11:29 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Bridge Bike Path

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Mr. Feiner,

Just a thought.......

The South County Trail Way (and the North too) works just fine with
mixed use (bikes and peds) sharing the right side of the road in each
direction.  Every one is going in the same direction, peds keeping to
the right, bikes approaching from behind, and passing on the left.
(Although admittedly I have seen the path totally blocked by 3 women
pushing baby carriages and walking abreast deep in conversation.)
Discipline does help.

The current system of a 6 foot wide lane for bike traffic in both
directions is a straight line to failure.  It’s far too narrow,
especially for inept or inexperienced bikers.  6 foot for peds is
adequate, if they don’t walk more than 2 abreast.  Again discipline does
help.  And signs.

Also a 15 mile per hour speed limit is far too high, 10 is far safer.
This is not a path for racing, it’s a path for sightseeing.

As it stands, it will never be attractive for commuters, too dangerous.

Jack

From: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 5:47 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: Shared Bike Path

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Widen path with barriers would be best option.  It’s very dangerous as is during high volume periods.  It’s also dangerous during low volume periods because people walking take up 4 lanes using dogs, stroller and kids on scooters while on phones, making bikers and runners swerve around them.  If you aren’t paying attention you could get hit or cause someone to get hit.

I don’t think creating use times is a good idea.  Takes the spontaneity out of the experience.  Plus if it rains, it may rain during one or the other.  Or for sunsets, imagine not being able to use bridge for an hour or two?

If they can’t make wider, maybe make the waking elevated (like a sidewalk) so it will keep bikers out of walking path?

Thanks for soliciting feedback.

 Ronald

 

From: 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 5:07 PM
To: Paul Feiner
Subject: The Path, Cuomo Bridge

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Dear Mr. Feiner,

Just wanted to let you know that my family and I where on The Path on the Cuomo bridge this past weekend for the first time and we didn’t feel safe.  We were on foot and the bicycles were to close and going too fast.  There is not enough room; the Path is not wide enough.  I don’t think that we will visit again till something is changed.  Perhaps an idea would be to have a bicycle day and a separate pedestrian day;  If not widen the path a bit more.

Thank you for your attention in this matter.

Sincerely,

Ed
Bronxville, NY

 


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